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What are the most vaccinated states numbers looking like? Should that tell the tale. Being in the south we’ve had a a bad outbreak and we have the lowest vaccinated numbers.
I’d assume vice versa if vaccines work. Compare positives then hospitalizations and then deaths. Surely there is some way to compare.
The differnces aren't that dramatic in vaccination rates. I think the highest is 70% and lowest is 50%. With this much more contagious variant, even 30% unvaxxed that was not hit hard in the past, with the right weather and other conditions will have outbreak events.

Within a community, same conditions for everyone. We see huge benefits. That's the apples to apples data or as close as you get.

There are ways to compare the others, but it requires a lot of corrections for all the other differences. This is where people with strong opinions will "know the answer" and make the "corrections" to get the "right" answer.

The unvaccinated are at dramatically greater risk of death, suffering so badly they end up in intensive care, and even simply testing positive. That's the result in every community. The community level requires the least corrections and in nearly all cases those at greater risk are more likely to be vaccinated, so proper correction will show the vaccine more effective than the uncorrected numbers.

So yes, they can be compared, but it's not necessary because we have far more reliable results to evaluate the performance. The only reason to compare different states or countries is desperately looking to find the answer you want if you cannot accept reality.

If you want the truth, you try to find those cases where no correction at all is required. That is the most reliable information you'll ever get. It's rare but when you find it it is the truth. We have that for as close as you get at the local level and they all say the same thing.
 

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The unvaccinated are at dramatically greater risk of death, suffering so badly they end up in intensive care, and even simply testing positive. That's the result in every community.
Not true if early aggressive treatment with OTC drugs is established as soon as symptoms are noticed. So many needless deaths could be avoided. AND those unvaccinated people would then have natural immunity which is orders of magnitude greater protection than the limited benefit of the vaccine.
 

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Well......color me not shocked....at all. Follow the money. It's no wonder the massive push back against Ivermectin.

That New Protease Inhibitor That Pfizer Is Looking At

Works surprisingly like Ivermectin - but it's patentable. Isn't that an odd coincidence?
I say it's not odd at all for the free thinkers...they see through the Bull****. And it IS all BS. If Ivermectin does not work, then why the F**K are the drug companies scrambling to develop drugs that work EXACTLY like Ivermectin? Answer me that. Here is a good start:


Oh, and look at this...the derivative of Ivermectin being pushed by Merck is going through trials...
A new oral antiviral drug for COVID-19 is being tested in humans - can it make a difference?

It's all for profits. They don't care that a cheap off patent drug is readily available that already does the job very well.
 

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Meeting of the COVID-19 Giants with Geert Vanden Bossche and Robert Malone MD


"The truth is that it is the vaccinated that are creating the risk, not the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated are serving as virus sinks." - Dr. Robert Malone

"What we should have been doing since the beginning is just vaccinating (with a leaky vaccine) the vulnerable individuals. This would not have placed immense immune escape pressure on the virus."- Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

"The problem is the mass vaccination to push a whole population to exert widespread immune (escape) pressure on the virus to push the virus to adapt and become more infectious and become dominant."- Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche
 

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Latest U.K. Data:
Latest PHE report reveals the vaccinated account for 56% of Covid-19 cases, 61% of hospitalisations, and 77% of deaths which are 11 times higher than this time last year when there was no Covid-19 vaccine

If you wish to argue that the reason the vaccinated account for the majority of Covid-19 deaths is because the majority of the population are vaccinated, then you need to explain why Covid-19 deaths are 11 times higher than this time last year when there wasn’t a Covid-19 vaccine available that allegedly reduces the risk of death due to Covid-19 by 95%. Because this is precisely the predicament the United Kingdom is in right now.
However, because the Covid-19 vaccines allegedly reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death by up to 95% you would expect to see far less hospitalisations and deaths among the fully vaccinated population than the number of hospitalisations and deaths among the unvaccinated population.

But as the above tables show, this isn’t the case. For instance, the case-hospitalisation rate, based on the numbers presented in PHE’s report, among the unvaccinated population equates to 1.1%. Whereas the case-hospitalisation rate among the fully vaccinated population equates to 1.64%. Therefore, the case-hospitalisation rate is 49% higher among the fully vaccinated population.

Using the same numbers presented in PHE’s report, the case-fatality rate among the unvaccinated population equates to 0.31%. Whereas the case-fatality rate among the fully vaccinated population equates to 0.96%. Therefore, the case-fatality rate is 209% higher among the fully vaccinated population.

The same pattern also occurs in the hospitalisation-fatality rate by vaccination status. The hospitalisation-fatality rate among the unvaccinated population is 26.8%. Whereas the hospitalisation-fatality rate among the fully vaccinated population is 58.9%. Therefore, the hospitalisation-fatality rate is 120% higher among the fully vaccinated population.
I warned that this was coming....

This isn’t a new phenomenon either, the fully vaccinated have now accounted for the majority of Covid-19 deaths since at least the beginning of June 2021, and there has been a rise in Covid-19 deaths since then.

Some will argue that it is because the elderly and vulnerable are more likely to die, but it was the elderly and vulnerable that were dying prior to the vaccination programme, and the United Kingdom was placed under a strict lockdown because of it.

Others will argue that it is because the majority of the population have had the vaccine, therefore the majority of deaths will be among the vaccinated, and that’s fine to argue that – but you cannot then argue that the vaccines are serving their purpose and must admit that they clearly do not work, because if they did we would not be seeing a summer wave of Covid-19 deaths 11 times higher than summer 2020 when no vaccine was available.

But we’d like to argue that the Covid-19 vaccines do not only not work, but they also make the recipient far worse if exposed to the alleged Covid-19 virus, and this is evident from the fact the case-fatality rate has been significantly higher among the fully vaccinated population since at least June 2021.

And if we are right; which the evidence suggests we are – we dread to think what this winter will bring with soaring energy prices, and food shortages coupled with the return of all respiratory viruses such as influenza, alongside the alleged circulating Covid-19 virus. It’s a recipe for disaster.
click the link for absolute numbers instead of the percentages.
 

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Everything you want to know about how COVID attacks the body...
Spartacus - The Automatic Earth

Scientists who know anything about pulmonary neutrophilia, ARDS, and redox biology have known or surmised much of this since March 2020. In April 2020, Swiss scientists confirmed that COVID-19 was a vascular endotheliitis. By late 2020, experts had already concluded that COVID-19 causes a form of viral sepsis. They also know that sepsis can be effectively treated with antioxidants. None of this information is particularly new, and yet, for the most part, it has not been acted upon. Doctors continue to use damaging intubation techniques with high PEEP settings despite high lung compliance and poor oxygenation, killing an untold number of critically ill patients with medical malpractice.


Because of the way they are constructed, Randomized Control Trials will never show any benefit for any antiviral against COVID-19. Not Remdesivir, not Kaletra, not HCQ, and not Ivermectin. The reason for this is simple; for the patients that they have recruited for these studies, such as Oxford’s ludicrous RECOVERY study, the intervention is too late to have any positive effect.


The clinical course of COVID-19 is such that by the time most people seek medical attention for hypoxia, their viral load has already tapered off to almost nothing. If someone is about 10 days post-exposure and has already been symptomatic for five days, there is hardly any virus left in their bodies, only cellular damage and derangement that has initiated a hyperinflammatory response. It is from this group that the clinical trials for antivirals have recruited, pretty much exclusively.





In these trials, they give antivirals to severely ill patients who have no virus in their bodies, only a delayed hyperinflammatory response, and then absurdly claim that antivirals have no utility in treating or preventing COVID-19. These clinical trials do not recruit people who are pre-symptomatic. They do not test pre-exposure or post-exposure prophylaxis.


This is like using a defibrillator to shock only flatline, and then absurdly claiming that defibrillators have no medical utility whatsoever when the patients refuse to rise from the dead. The intervention is too late. These trials for antivirals show systematic, egregious selection bias. They are providing a treatment that is futile to the specific cohort they are enrolling.


India went against the instructions of the WHO and mandated the prophylactic usage of Ivermectin. They have almost completely eradicated COVID-19. The Indian Bar Association of Mumbai has brought criminal charges against WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for recommending against the use of Ivermectin.
Yep.


We have been told that SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines cannot be integrated into the human genome, because messenger RNA cannot be turned back into DNA. This is false. There are elements in human cells called LINE-1 retrotransposons, which can indeed integrate mRNA into a human genome by endogenous reverse transcription. Because the mRNA used in the vaccines is stabilized, it hangs around in cells longer, increasing the chances for this to happen. If the gene for SARS-CoV-2 Spike is integrated into a portion of the genome that is not silent and actually expresses a protein, it is possible that people who take this vaccine may continuously express SARS-CoV-2 Spike from their somatic cells for the rest of their lives.


By inoculating people with a vaccine that causes their bodies to produce Spike in-situ, they are being inoculated with a pathogenic protein. A toxin that may cause long-term inflammation, heart problems, and a raised risk of cancers. In the long-term, it may also potentially lead to premature neurodegenerative disease.
Correct? I don't know. I'm not a research virologist nor a doctor. But if true, damn. Other prominent virologist have echoed the same potential dangers from the vaccine.
 

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Today there was a press conference from the pathological institute in Reutlingen, Germany. The pathologists Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhardt and Prof. Dr. Walter presented the results of the autopsies of eight people who died after COVID19 vaccination.
BTW, they found similar results as Dr. Cole in Illinois.

(6/n) Tissue with lymphocytic infiltration. (Blue dots: lymphocytes). The tissue is inflamed. Example 1.


(7/n) Tissue with lymphocytic infiltration. (Blue dots: lymphocytes). The tissue is inflamed. The muscle fibres are destroyed. Example 2.


(12/n) Alveolitis with lymphocytic infiltration. (Blue dots: lymphocytes). The tissue is inflamed. Example 7.



(14/n) Detachment of endothelial cells from the vessel wall. Example 1.



Click the link, read all the tweets...

 

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Truth Being Ignored – Victoria Australia Records 867 New COVID Cases, 375 in Hospital and 95% of Those Hospitalized are Vaccinated
Pay close attention to what Victoria, Australia, Health Minister Martin Foley says at the 2:45 minute mark of his comments.


Health Minister Foley announced 867 new COVID cases recorded yesterday. During the statistical outline Foley identifies 375 people as hospitalized, 81 people in intensive care and 61 people on a ventilator. Then comes the statistic everyone in government and media ignore. Amid the recorded cases “78% of the hospital cases are fully vaccinated, and 17% are partially vaccinated (1 dose)”….


That means 95% of the COVID patients in Victoria hospitals are vaccinated.


356 people out of 375 patients are vaccinated, yet 81 people are still in intensive care with 61 on a ventilator.

 

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This says otherwise.


79% of the infected were unvaxxed
88% hosptilalized were unvaxxed
98% in the ICU were unvaxxed

Also this.


And another.

Andrews said the hospitalisation statistics very clearly showed that this was now a “pandemic in the unvaccinated”.

“That is not a point of criticism,” he said. “It is a point to motivate everyone to come forward and get vaccinated as quickly as possible.”
 

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Anecdotal, but here ya go.

I am a nurse and have been one for decades, 17 years of my career were spent in Emergency Medicine and I have seen a lot of Trauma. Today a young woman with significant comorbidities came to our procedural area for treatment. She was unvaccinated and pregnant one month ago when she caught Covid. She refused IV Remdesivir (anti-viral) and the family insisted the hospital give her Ivermectin. It seriously damaged her liver. She was then intubated and had an emergent c-section. Baby is alive, born at 27 weeks. This woman is now on ECMO and isn't going to live. During the case I kept looking at her beautiful picture on her medical record and the horrible condition she is now in. There were 10 staff members trying to save her life. 10 highly educated people using the best science has to offer to help her. She rejected the science that could have saved her life.
 
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